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T/C Encore Rifle

Postby Larry in SD » Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:09 pm

I finally gave up on my Ruger KM77RP MKII .243 so I traded the Ruger for a new Stainless-Steel / Synthetic Stock & Forend T/C Encore Rifle Frame. I then sold all of the Federal Factory .243 Ammo I had on hand to a buddy who in return bought me a new Stainless-Steel BERGARA T/C Encore Barrel chambered in .30-06.

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I then talked to local gunsmith Roger about the best method of bedding the Synthetic Forend to the Bergara Barrel. Roger said to do some research on the net on the preferred method, ie Pillar Bedding vs a Hanger Bar System. I spend a couple evenings reading and when all the smoke cleared from my computer screen I came to the conclusion that half of the guys were happy with Pillar Bedding while the other half preferred the Hanger Bar Systems.

I relayed this info to Roger, and we talked a bit about how Roger has been bedding the Synthetic Forends to the Encore Barrels. In the end Roger said "let's do an experiment". Roger went on to say if I supplied the materials he'd Pillar Bed the Synthetic Forend to a Stratton Custom Hanger Bar.

The Stratton Custom Hanger Bar is a bar made out of 3/8" steel key stock, machine to fit the contours of T/C Encore Barrels. The forend is then modified and attaches via two screws to the hanger bar. When the Stratton Custom Hanger Bar arrived I immediately phoned Roger and promptly took the Encore and the Hanger Bar to Roger. Roger attached the hanger bar to the Bergara Encore Barrel and said we have a problem.

Since the hanger bar attaches to the barrel via 2 screws the screw holes in the hanger bar for the forend are offset from the original mounting location. Roger said this isn't going to work. I told Roger it was my understanding that new screw holes need to be drilled into the forend in the proper location to mate up to the threaded holes in the hanger bar.

Well Roger didn't want to do it that way and said I had a plan. Roger said he was going to make a hanger bar to attach to the Stratton Custom Hanger Bar so he could use the existing holes in the forend. By making the second hanger bar to attach to the Stratton Custom Hanger Bar Roger drilled and tapped holes for the forend to attach to the second hanger bar that are over the top of the holes in the Stratton Custom Hanger Bar that attaches it to the forend.

Roger radiused the corners and tapered the sides of the second bar so that after he glassed the forend around the bar the forend automatically centers itself to the bar. He then put steel pillars in the forend so the screw heads mate up to the flared end on the steel gas line he used for pillars, and on the other end the steel pillars seat against the hanger bars. To attach the forend to the hanger bar Roger used some large headed hex head screws I had and the heads of the screws contact both the ends of the steel pillars and the synthetic of the forend.

Roger also moved the sling swivel stud in the forend rearward some so that when my bipod is attached the base of the bipod is now flush with the front of the forend tip. He glassed in a piece of aluminum plate, threaded it and screwed the sling swivel stud into the plate, which is glassed into the forend. I told Roger I wanted to be able to shoot this Encore off of a Bipod or Front Rest or Crossed Shooting Sticks.

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Roger fired one round through the barrel (after cleaning it). He said he just had to shoot it. The barrel didn't even have a scope base or scope on it at this point, Roger said he just had to shoot it.

He fired the round (Federal Power Shok 150gr. SP Factory Round) with the FC on the cartridge case in the 12 O Clock position. We then removed the case and examined it. Looks like the rearward most portion of the chamber might be a little oversided. When measured at the largest point ahead of the extractor groove the fired round measures .005" larger than the unfired factory rounds I measured.

However the headspace is perfect. We inserted a loaded Federal Factory Round into the chamber and while I closed the action Roger held a .002" shim between the case head and the breach face. Once I closed the action Roger was not able to pull the .002" shim out of from between the cartridge case head and the breech face. We then took the fired round, put the FC at 3 O Clock, 6 O Clock and 9 O Clock position and the action locked up every time with minimal effort.

After coming home I secured my T/C Weaver Style Scope Base, I torqued the screws to 30 In Lbs and also applied Red Loktite to the threads. I then mounted my 3x9x40mm Bushnell Elite 3200 Firefly Rifle Scope in Weaver 1" Extension Quad Lock 4x4 Scope Rings (putting the extension ring in front so the offset is forward to get maximum ring spacing distance on my scope tube).

With a little luck Saturday I am going to head to the Range. I have 19 rounds of Federal Factory 150gr. Power Shok Soft Point Ammo as well as 20 rounds I loaded with 150gr. Nosler Ballistic Tips / 59.0grs. H-4350 to sight it in with and break the barrel in with.

One really neat thing about the T/C Encore Rifle is that with a 24" Barrel it is only about 4" longer than my 16" M4 AR.

This is the FIRST STAGE of this project. The second stage will have to wait till after the first of the year, and at that time a second barrel will be added in a Varmint Cartridge, stay tuned.

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Postby Rattler » Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:20 am

I am totally JONSING for one of those rifles. Anybody that has one and wants to trade it off, let me know.

I'm anxoius to see how it works for you. Please keep us posted.
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Postby Larry in SD » Fri Sep 18, 2009 8:14 am

Will do Rattler. Hopefully by Saturday evening I can post some shooting results.

I started shooting and hunting with T/C Contender Handguns in 1982. A few friends or mine started shooting and hunting with T/C Encore Rifles and to be totally honest their handling qualities, size and weight really got me to thinking about one.

Due to a couple of physical complications I do not shoot T/C Handguns anymore. Also as time goes by our interests tend to change, and the thought a hunting with a single shot, compact rifle got stuck in my head.

As my Encore is shown in the photo it is only 4" longer than my M4 AR-15, and is lighter in overall weight (each set up ready to hunt).

If everything goes as planned I will be adding a 26" Stainless-Steel Heavy Contour .22-250 Remington Barrel at some point after the first of the year.

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Postby Thom » Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:13 am

Rattler wrote:I am totally JONSING for one of those rifles. <Snip!>


Oh that is sooo true for me too!
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Postby Larry in SD » Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:23 pm

I put 40 rounds through it today. For the first 10 rounds I ran 3 patches soaked in Shooters Choice followed by 3 dry patches through the bore after each round. There was just a hint of copper after each shot so after the first 10 rounds I shot 5 rounds then ran 3 patches soaked in Shooters Choice followed by 3 dry patches through the bore after every 5th round.

Man this bore is SMOOTH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Federal Power Shok 150gr. Soft Point Factory Ammo averaged 3071 FPS, producing 1.217" Groups. Federal catalogs this ammo at 2920 FPS.

Once I had shot the 20 rounds of Federal Power Shok 150gr. Soft Point Factory Ammo I switched to my standby handload of 150gr. Nosler Ballistic Tips loaded with 59.0grs. H-4350 in Federal Brass with CCI 200 Primers. This has been the accuracy handload in 4 or 5 different .30-06's now and this T/C - Bergara Encore seems to continue that trend.

The 150gr. Nosler Ballistic Tips were seated .005" off the lands and this is what I would consider a MAXIMUM LOAD in this barrel. For the record the Cartridge Overall Length with the Nosler Ballistic Tips seated .005" off the lands is 3.360". Average velocity is 3054 FPS with this load (the most I have ever gotten out of this load) with an average group size of .693" (The smallest group came in a .392" and the largest group came in at .937" which was the last group fired and the barrel was getting hot).

I also should note that I shot my groups off of a Harris Bench Rest Swivel Bipod, and off of a Front Rest I built with a formed bag on the rest. I used a Rabbit Ear Rear Bag to support the buttstock. There really seemed to be no difference between the different front rests used but I did shoot the smallest group off of the Bipod.

So far I am totally pleased with this barrel. I am also SUPER IMPRESSED with the Sims Limbsaver Recoil Pad, even though I got scoped on the first shot. After the first shot I moved the scope forward and placed it in the position I should have had it in to start with. I am also SUPER IMPRESSED with the Bushnell Elite 3200 3x9x40mm Rifle Scope. I could even see my bullet holes in the black of the target through this Bushnell (I never did take my spotting scope out of the case today).

All in all a good day at the range. It was a beautiful day, 85 degrees and sunny. At the range I had a gusty tail wind but it really didn't seem to effect anything.

Larry

PS I think I should go buy a lottery ticket. I am on a roll. Yesterday the wife and I were both notified that we both drew Roberts County ANY DEER Tags this year. This is really rare as we generally get drawn for Antlerless Tags. Then today my first (LONG AWAITED) range session with my new T/C - Bergara Encore was also a success. Yep I think I need to buy a lottery ticket.
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Postby Globemaster » Sat Sep 19, 2009 5:22 pm

nice setup Larry :D
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Postby Rattler » Sat Sep 19, 2009 5:48 pm

Funny you mention the scope. I just put 2 Bushnell Elite 3200 3-9's on the shelf, as well as 2 of the Elite 4200 2.5-10 as well. They are SWEET! I still shoot a 4200 with a Bousch & Lomb label on my .284 Winchester Sako. Awesome optics.
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Postby Larry in SD » Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:28 pm

Thanks guys.

Rattler I have a Bushnell Elite 3200 1.5x4.5x32mm Firefly Riflescope on my 16" M4. My M4 lives in my patrol vehicle in an overhead gun rack, but also serves as my Coyote Calling Rifle. I qualify with it at 1.5x as close as 5 yards without issue, and at 4.5x have taken Coyotes at a bit over 200 yards without issue. At our recent Egg Shoot I was wishing I had more X's than 4.5, but eggs are a whole lot smaller than Coyotes or bad guys. I am perfectly happy with my Bushnell Elite Riflescopes.

I am just so pleased with the results of todays range session I can not express it.

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Postby Rattler » Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:58 pm

I'm happy for you too!
BUT... it makes me want one all the more... :(
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Postby Larry in SD » Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:22 pm

When I ordered my Bushnell Elite 3200 Riflescope from Natchez I also had planned on ordering 2 more boxes of .30 Caliber 150gr. Nosler Ballistic Tips but Natchez was out of them. So I ended up ordering 2 boxes of .30 Caliber 150gr. Nosler E-TIPS (Noslers version of the lead free Barnes Bullets).

I talked to Nosler about loading the E-Tips after reading the note in the box of bullets that stated (when loading Nosler E-Tips always start at the starting load of a reputable load manual). In talking to John @ Nosler he said that the guilding metal and bearing surface of the E-Tips is different than conventional cup and core bullets so they build pressure much more rapidly.

Per Nosler's advice I checked the Hodgdon web site and in a .30-06 with a 150gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip they show a starting load of 56.0grs. and a MAX load of 62.0grs. of H-4350. Well I am hear to tell you there is no way to get 62.0grs. of H-4350 in a .30-06 case and if it could be done you are not shooting it in my gun! In my gun 59.0grs. of H-4350 with a 150gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip is MAXIMUM, and probably plenty hot at that.

At any rate I loaded 10 rounds of the Nosler 150gr. E-Tips at 56.0, 56.5 & 57.0 grains with the bullet seated .080" off the lands (Nosler recommends .050" to .100" off the lands). Long story short, the 56.5 grain l was the most accurate coming in a 1 1/2" at 2945 FPS, and about as hot as I want to go. 57.0 grains opened up the group and they were HOT. I had one of the 56.0 grain loads with the 150gr. Nosler E-Tip in which the action was a touch sticky in opening. The other thing I noticed in shooting the 30 rounds loaded with E-Tips was that I had 3 misfires. 2 of them went on the second try and the 3rd one went on the 3rd try.

I cleaned the barrel after every 5 rounds of the E-Tips and there was a lot more copper coming out of the barrel than when shooting the Nosler Ballistic Tips.

I then shot 5 rounds of my 150gr. Nosler Ballistic Tips, 59.0grs. H-4350 with no issues. I pulled one shot in that group so didn't measure it. I then shot a 3 shot group with the 150gr. Nosler Ballistic Tips, 59.0grs. H-4350, again with no issues what so ever and that group measured .844" center to center. By this time the barrel was getting hot and I had 2 more rounds to shoot so I saved them for Water Filled Milk Jugs, and I am sure you can guess how that turned out.

I have 80 rounds through this barrel now, and just got done giving it a thorough cleaning. I started with Shooters Choice. I must have run a dozen patches through the bore and there was the slightest hint of green on the patches. I then brushed the bore 10 strokes, followed by a half dozen patches soaked in Shooters Choice. I then totally dried the bore and ran 3 patches of KG-12 Copper Solvent through the bore. KG-12 is one of the solvents that is supposed to remove the most amount of copper. Those 3 patches came out CLEAN. I then dried the bore again and ran 2 patches soaked in Break Free through the bore followed by 2 dry patches, and it is now SPOTLESS.

All in all I am super pleased with the way this Bergara Barrel shoots. I am thinking that it is just going to get better the more rounds I put through it.

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Postby Rattler » Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:27 am

Great review Larry.

Larry in SD wrote: When I ordered my Bushnell Elite 3200 Riflescope from Natchez I also had planned on ordering 2 more boxes of .30 Caliber 150gr. Nosler Ballistic Tips but Natchez was out of them. So I ended up ordering 2 boxes of .30 Caliber 150gr. Nosler E-TIPS (Noslers version of the lead free Barnes Bullets).

I talked to Nosler about loading the E-Tips after reading the note in the box of bullets that stated (when loading Nosler E-Tips always start at the starting load of a reputable load manual). In talking to John @ Nosler he said that the guilding metal and bearing surface of the E-Tips is different than conventional cup and core bullets so they build pressure much more rapidly.


I'm not sold on the "E" Bullets and "green" bullets for hunting, Yeah, I can see that there is a use or even a need to be cleaner at ranges that get pummeled with lead all the time, but there is no appreciable evidence that hunting with lead for big game has any effect on the environment at all. I have found far more lead in the woods that I've put in it. It's not that I do not like the idea of having a cleaner impact on our environment, it's more that I do not like that the government is pushing everyone into green everything, in many industries when it is not necessary, and it is all done, of course, at the expense of the consumer. So here we have an example of a bullet being manufactured by Nosler that when used like any other bullet may actually be dangerous. I'm glad Larry that you so diligently read the box before you loaded. And the performance is more detrimental to your firearms than a standard bullet as well (this is intimated by the fact that you have so much copper fouling in your barrel compared to what you experience with a bullet jacketed differently). AND, we as consumers get to pay MORE for the bullets. What does it do for the hunter? Nothing. What does it do for the game we are trying to harvest? Nothing. This is the information I get from many other shooters who have also tried the same types of bullets. No appreciable gain whatsoever, all with the added benefit to the consumer that we have to pay more, to get less.


Larry in SD wrote: l was the most accurate coming in a 1 1/2" at 2945 FPS, and about as hot as I want to go. 57.0 grains opened up the group and they were HOT. I had one of the 56.0 grain loads with the 150gr. Nosler E-Tip in which the action was a touch sticky in opening. The other thing I noticed in shooting the 30 rounds loaded with E-Tips was that I had 3 misfires. 2 of them went on the second try and the 3rd one went on the 3rd try.


You are getting with a (26" or 28"?) barel single shot break action rifle, what Oly is getting with the semi-auto AR in the 300 OSSM all with no signs of pressure at all, and a SAMMI recorded 56.6K oressure! Nothing to discourage others from buying the Encore, as i plan to get one myself in a different caliber (or two), but just to point out how awesome that 300 Oly really is.

Larry in SD wrote:
I cleaned the barrel after every 5 rounds of the E-Tips and there was a lot more copper coming out of the barrel than when shooting the Nosler Ballistic Tips.

I've got to get you some Weapon Shield. PM me your address....

Larry in SD wrote:
I have 80 rounds through this barrel now, and just got done giving it a thorough cleaning. I started with Shooters Choice.

Larry


You treat that barrel with WS, and you'll be doing that chore with three patches not 20.

Anyway, thanks again Larry for the info. Keep it coming!! AND, anyone who wants to trade their Encore rifle to me for something AR related, just let me know!! :wink:
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Postby Larry in SD » Thu Sep 24, 2009 7:15 am

Thanks for the comments Rattler. I actually tried trading the E-Tips to anyone for plain old Ballistic Tips but didn't have any takers. In the end I thought "what the heck, I messed up and bought them I might as well try them". Well I have that out of my system and do not have to worry about trying them again.

Truth be known I have had such great success with Ballistic Tips over the years in several different calibers / cartridges I can not see how the E-Tips were going to perform any better.

Over the years I have had lots and lots of T/C Factory Contender Handgun Barrels. I have had some that really impressed me in terms of accuracy, but this Bergara Barrel has shot good from day one.

As to the .300 OSM, well that will be a dream come true for many AR afficinados, and I would dearly love to have one (and hopefully will some day). From everything I have read so far I think Olympic has been doing everything right, including the barrel profile of the Gamestalker. And yes you are absolutely correct, the data from Hodgdon Powder Co. that I read pertaining to the .300 OSM is vitually exactly the preformance I am getting from my Encore with the 24" Bergara Barrel.

One of the things that endeared me to the Encore was that with a 24" Barrel the overall length of my Rifle is 4" more than my 16" M4 AR.

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Postby Larry in SD » Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:04 pm

I have done a lot of experimenting since I last posted in regards to my Encore .30-06.

First of all I solved the problem of the first shot from a cold barrel going high. I posted on another forum and received a few replys from different guys all basically stating the same thing.

They said with the Hanger Bars some times the front screw has to be left loose to solve the problem I was having with the first shot from a cold barrel going high. It was suggested I egg shape the front hole in the Stratton Custom Hanger Bar by a couple thousands and then leave that screw sightly loose (so the Stratton Custom Hanger Bar could be wiggled slightly from muzzle to breech but not at a 90* angle to the barrel). I didn't like the idea of leaving a screw loose so after a little trial and error made a slightly longer screw so that when the screw bottomed out in the threaded hole in the barrel, tight I was able to wiggle the Stratton Custom Hanger Bar slightly from muzzle to breech but not at a 90* angle to the barrel.

In the process of this Roger noted that the bottom side of the Stratton Custom Hanger Bar was not prefectly straight when he placed a straight edge against the bottom of it when it was screwed tight to the barrel. All of a sudden a light bulb came on and we both came to the conclusion that the second Hanger Bar Roger made (that attaches to the bottom of the Stratton Custom Hanger Bar, that is bedded to the forend) was pulling / putting pressure on the Stratton Custom Hanger Bar, thus stressing the barrel after the first shot warmed the barrel.

We used the Stratton Custom Hanger Bar (that has holes in it at a 90 degree angle to the barrel every 1/2" it's entire length) as a guide and drilled a series of lightening / weakening holes in the Hanger Bar Roger made. In addition we also placed two stainless-steel washers on the screws that hold the hanger bars together, placed between the two hanger bars.

All of this solved my cold barrel to warm barrel point of impact shift. One problem solved, one to go.

I wasn't sure how much it was effecting accuracy, but my barrel/frame hinge pin and the hinge pin holes in my barrel and frame were not close to the right size. With my barrel locked up on my frame I could wiggle the muzzle of my barrel side to side by a quarter inch or so. I had my machinist buddy in town here (also happens to be one of my City Council Members) measure my barrel/frame hinge pin and the hinge pin holes in my barrel and frame. It ended up that my Hinge Pin was .0009" smaller in diameter than the holes in my Barrel & Frame.

A few e-mails to Mike Bellm of Bellm TC's and I knew what I needed. I promptly ordered a Bellm TC's 2x Oversize Hinge Pin and Bellm TC's Heavy Duty Locking Bolt Spring.

It seems T/C made the Encore larger and heavier than the Contender (and G2 Contender) to handle higher pressure (more case head thrust) cartridges, made the Locking Bolts in the Barrels larger but still use the same Locking Bolt Spring that the Contender & G2 Contender use.

Monday my order from BellmTC's arrived and I promptly installed the 2x Oversize Hinge Pin and Bellm TC's Heavy Duty Locking Bolt Spring. Now that made a difference. No more side to side barrel wiggle when the barrel was locked up.

It has been raining ever since, well until this morning that is. After patroling while the kids made their way to school this morning I loaded up and headed for the Shooting Range.

I was absolutely amazed at the difference. Now I have been totally pleased with the groups this T/C-Bergara Encore had been shooting, and solved the cold barrel to warm barrel point of impact shift. However today was an eye opening experience. Prior to this my groups have been running 3/4" or slightly less with 150gr. Nosler Ballistic Tips loaded with Hodgdon H-4350 in Federal Brass with CCI Large Rifle Primers.

Today my LARGEST group measured 1/2", and most of the rest of the groups had all 3 shot touching. Now I will be the first to admit I don't like recoil. I also don't shoot rifles that recoil much very well. For me to shoot groups like this with a .30-06 that is pushing 150gr. Nosler Ballistic Tips to 3038 FPS truly amazed me. What was equally amazing to me is that I did it time after time and it was not a one group fluke.

I have been shooting and hunting with break open T/C's since 1982, and truly thought I was quite knowledgable in their use. Well this T/C Encore Rifle has taught me a thing or two.

As soon as buddy Roger's range dries out we are going to wring it out at 450 yards. Roger is hoping for a 3" group but I will be extremely happy with 4 1/2" groups at that range.

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Postby Rattler » Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:51 am

Still looking for mine... no luck yet.
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Postby Larry in SD » Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:58 pm

Rattler you have to be patient. Heck maybe after Deer season I'll sell you this one.

I did get the opportunity to shoot at Roger's 450 yard range on Saturday afternoon. It was WET and actually had to walk through water to get there, but I wanted to shoot at 450 yards so I toughed it out and got wet feet.

First of all I was using Roger's bench and rifle rest. Roger has a bad back and can not shoot sitting so his bench is made so he can shoot standing up. To complicate matters I am 6'2" tall and Roger is 5'6" tall. As stated I used Roger's rest and this is the first time I shot from this rest and could not get comfortable.

Roger's rest is his home made version of a lead sled, but is attached to the bench with springs. There is a similar cradle for the buttstock to sit into, that has a piece of steel that sits behind the recoil pad.

Roger made a target out of a 36" x 36" piece of white paper. Towards the top Roger placed a 4" x 4" piece of cardboard and sprayed a black circle (about 10") around the cardboard. Once the piece of cardboard was removed I had a nice white 4" x 4" aiming point inside of the 10" black circle.

Roger then asked how much drop I had a 450 yards, and I told Roger according to the Ballistics Chart it should drop 25". Roger then measured 25" down from the center of the 4" x 4" box and drew a rectangle 1" high x 3" wide.

Once out at the range I was shocked to see that with my 3x9x40mm Bushnell Elite 3200 Firefly Rifle Scope's crosshairs in the center of the 4" x 4" white box the top of my duplex post was at the 25" low mark.

I settled in behind the Encore and made ready for the first shot. I was not at all comfortable with this style of rest (I am used to shooting off of a front rest with a rabbit ear rear bag of a bipod with a rabbit ear rear bag), but finally managed to get the crosshairs in the center of the 4" x 4" white box and squeezed the trigger.

Roger jumped on his 4x4 ATV and drove down to the target. Roger looked over the target and when he made his way back to me he said my bullet hole was 14" low and 2" left of the center of the 4" x 4" white box. Roger thought I was putting the top of the post of the duplex in the center of the 4" x 4" white box (a slight miscommunication on my part I guess).

We talked a bit and I decided I was going to shoot two more rounds. This time I set the rifle up a bit different in Roger's rest and actually had my left index finger and my left thumb under the recoil pad on the Encore's buttstock. This time I felt much more comfortable and squeezed the trigger. I opened up the Encore and put a fresh round in the chamber and settled in again.

After I fired the second round I told Roger that I was more comfortable on those two shots and don't think I pulled either one. Roger said he was standing off to the side while I shot and said that I didn't flinch.

Roger made his way to retrieve the target and I made my way back to Roger's yard. To my total amazement my last two shots were 25" below the center of the 4" x 4" white box and 3" to the right. The more amazing part is both bullet holes were 1 1/4" apart.

Now I have to wonder if my first shot out of a cold barrel is still HIGH? It sure didn't show up at 100 yards on my last two range sessions. OR did I simply pull the first shot not being totally comfortable in Roger's rest?

At any rate Roger & I talked this over and I expressed to Roger that I didn't like the fact that to eliminate the high first shot from a cold barrel that we have to have only one screw holding the hanger bar onto the barrel, and that fact that I can wiggle the forend side to side.

We talked some more and ultimately decided to order a new Forend. Roger is bedding this forend as I type this, however this time we are doing it the way Roger has done all the other ones he has done, WITHOUT the hanger bars.

No I am not unhappy with the way this Encore shoots, these are just the final tweaking stages of this process.

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Postby Larry in SD » Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:46 pm

My point of impact shift from the first shot from a cold barrel to following shots is FIXED.

I had went to the range on Wednesday after changing the forend on my Encore.

I bought a new Synthetic Forend, had Roger pillar bed it. Roger also bedded the tops of the posts in the forend that the screws pass through so they are conformed to the barrel rather than being flat on top. The rest of the forend is free floated.

In the process I swapped out my T/C Warne Weaver Style Scope Base for a Weaver Scope Base. The Weaver Base is about 3/4" longer than the T/C Warne and this allowed me to get my front scope ring a bit farther forward and away from my scope's turret.

Anyway on Wednesday I didn't get to test out my first cold barrel shot to following shots to see if I still was getting a point of impact shift after the first cold barrel shot as my first 2 shots on Wednesday didn't hit the target at 100 yards. I had it zeroed prior to changing out the forend and scope base, and didn't think I would be off the paper at 100 yards.

Anyway I moved in to 25 yards and learned that changing the forend and scope base I was now 4" low and 1" left. After zeroing at 25 yards I moved things back to 100 yards and got it zeroed 2" High.

Today was a beautiful November day (which happens to be two weeks before our Deer Season opener), 63* and a west wind. A west wind does not both at the LE Range as there is a huge grove of trees on the west and north sides of the LE Range (the 100 yard shooting bench is right up tight to the east side of the trees, and we shoot from the south to the north).

I set everything up after having to wait an hour for the Tribal Officers that were qualifying finished using the range. That wasn't a problem as I had a good chance to visit with them.

I fired a shot and looked through the spotting scope, it was perfectly centered left to right and 7/8" above point of aim. I fired two more rounds 9/16" apart (left to right), one being 1 3/4" above point of aim and the other being exactly 2" above point of aim. This resulted in a 1 1/8" 3 shot group.

I raised my scope 1 click and fired another shot to make sure I was slightly more than 2" high at 100 yards, and it was damn near right on the money so I quit there.

I then shot a few gallon milk jugs filled with water. Talk about an explosion when a .30 Caliber 150gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip traveling 2800 FPS at 100 yards hits a gallon plastic milk jug full of water. My wife was almost rolling on the ground laughing after I shot the first water jug.

I am now ready for Deer Season. My Encore isn't printing groups quite as tight as it did with the Forend with the Hanger Bar, but I do not have the point of impact shift problems (cold barrel to following shots anymore) and my groups are much more consistant now.

Now that I have all the bugs worked out I am afraid if I miss a Deer I don't have any excuses anymore, well except that I MISSED. I have shot Contender Handguns since 1982, and should have known better. I have always just free floated the Contender forends (except for the two locations where the screws pass through the forend to the barrel) without the use of Hanger Bars without issues. I should have not tried to get fancy with the Hanger Bar and just set up this Encore like I have set up the Contenders for years. But then I wouldn't have gotten in nearly as much trigger time either.

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Postby Globemaster » Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:13 pm

Larry in SD wrote:I am now ready for Deer Season.

I wish you the best of luck Larry, and I expect (hope) to see some awesome pictures of the hunt (no pressure) :D

Q: is your Wife hunting to?
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Postby Larry in SD » Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:21 am

Yep my wife is my main hunting partner when it comes to Deer Season. She has hunted with me just about every one of our 33 years together. There was a couple years when the kids were little that she didn't hunt, but that was about it. We have dragged deer out together through crotch deep snow, and hunted when it was below zero.

She is a lot like me in that she gets as much pleasure out of the preseason scouting and watching Deer as I do. The one thing I can get her interested in is Calling Coyotes.

Yep I too hope to have some photos, but the first thing I have to do is remember to take the camera along.

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Postby Globemaster » Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:15 am

My Wife and I have been married 15 years now, and we've been hunting together for the last five seasons, as I put down the archery equipment, and took up the modern rifle again ... we've done pretty good so far, as at lest one of us has been drawn for a Doe tag each of the past five seasons.

Q: what are your hunting requirements in SD? is there a min on the horn count? like we have here ... Bucks are a 3-Point min
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Postby Larry in SD » Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:16 am

In South Dakota, here in Roberts County (a very large county in size) there are 500 Any Deer Licenses, and 500 Any ANTLERLESS Deer Licenses available this year.

In South Dakota if it has a visible polished antler it is a Buck and can be harvested with an Any Deer Tag. There are no restrictions as per number of points etc.

A few years ago Roberts County had 200 Any Deer Tags, 200 Double Any Deer & Any ANTLERLESS Deer Tags, 250 Any ANTLERLESS Deer Tags, and 250 Double Any ANTLERLESS Deer Tags. The South Dakota Game, Fish & Parks has reduced the numbet of licenses available in Roberts County by quite a large margin.

Our Deer population is down quite a bit and I still think we are harvesting way to many does up here. That is a good practice if you have an over population of Deer but we don't.

I talked to a few hunters over in nearby Minnesota (the Minnesota / South Dakota border is 8 miles east of town here) last night as their season opened yesterday.

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Postby Globemaster » Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:43 am

thanks for the insight to the SD. Deer hunting regulations Larry, and good luck again on your upcoming hunts. :D
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Postby Larry in SD » Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:03 pm

Thanks

I am just heading out to do some scouting this afternoon / evening.

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Postby Globemaster » Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:15 pm

please, bring back some pictures with you; as I'd really like to see more images of the country side :D
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Postby Larry in SD » Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:53 pm

I never got to go scouting this afternoon / evening. Just as I was going to walk out the door the phone wrang and I had to go to work.

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Postby Globemaster » Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:59 pm

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